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@RobinHouston
Hello. It’s me, the hairy man in the video.

Sadly I don’t have much progress to report since this was filmed at the end of October. I managed to improve the 4chan lower bound by one, but I think it’s fair to say we’re pretty stuck again after a period of rapid progress and wild optimism. We still haven’t been able to bring the upper bound down by one, but I still reckon it should be possible.

I’m hoping someone here will have some good ideas!

Комментарий от : @RobinHouston


@panographic
The Lin-Kernighan heuristic for the TSP problem was devised by Shen Lin and Brian Kernighan
Комментарий от : @panographic


@rogerszmodis6913
Did the people who designed that board never test it out or are they all deaf?
Комментарий от : @rogerszmodis6913


@Netbase2000
No screens from 4chan? Why not.
Комментарий от : @Netbase2000


@ThisIsMadnessPeople
anybody have the entire number sequence of the super permutation of 14. I need it to show my friends what they're getting themselves into.
Комментарий от : @ThisIsMadnessPeople


@te0nani
The bottomless Nerdpower of Weebs can only be harnessed when you feed it to them in a context that they thrive in.
Комментарий от : @te0nani


@michaelvaller
The superpermutation of A,B, and C is wrong, AB, and BA come twice, the two A's at the Ends are unnecessary!!!
Комментарий от : @michaelvaller


@pakshd5378
Anime is for loosers
4chan: let me introduce my self

Комментарий от : @pakshd5378


@Andmau2552
This is incredible, just one question as a non mathematician. To my understanding, 4chan didn't really solved it right? More like it became a draft for the formula Robin made but then the other guy made another one that had nothing to do? What was the concrete discovery 4chan made and does it still holds for today?
Комментарий от : @Andmau2552


@johnacetable7201
Ramanujan, that Plummer that beat Einstein, discoverer of a single apereodic tile, kids who discovered the telescopic effect and now this guy; It seems like the world likes to give us a middle finger every now and again.
Комментарий от : @johnacetable7201


@ggwp638BC
To give slightly more context of why that was even being discussed in 4chan:
There is this highly popular classic anime called The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (yes, that one with the dance). This show was released in a particular order during the original TV airing, as to make sure the climax of the story was closer to the end, ignoring chronological events. But then for the DVD release the studio decided to change the order of the episodes to the cronological one. Not satisfied, in the re-releases, there was one with the first half chronological and the second as released in the TV airing, and then another airing where the made the opposite with the first half in release and second half in chronological. Not just that, but fans made their own watch orders as to highlight some aspect of the show. From this some guy asked how long would it take to watch ALL possible combinations and the discussion escalated from that.

Комментарий от : @ggwp638BC


@_abdul
5:57 : So...."No Fs Given"
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@optie5
They literally named it "Haruhi Problem" after the anime.
Комментарий от : @optie5


@deleted-something
anime lmao
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@deleted-something
lol
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@postminchoppa
"Well ive brought some Es"
Oh now were talking

Комментарий от : @postminchoppa


@andrewbloom7694
I assumed the only math problem 4chan could solve would be related to pedophile density or something
Комментарий от : @andrewbloom7694


@mcdonalds5972
"So how do you think your proof for lower bounds of superpermutations will help mathematics?"
"Mathematics?"

Комментарий от : @mcdonalds5972


@julienbongars4287
```python
def getSuperPermutation(n):
result = [0]

for value in range(n):
nextResult = []

for i in range(len(result) - value):
pattern = result[i:i+value+1]
nextResult = nextResult + pattern + [value + 1] + pattern
result = nextResult

# array will always be symetrical so remove the middle index
if len(result) % 2 == 0:
middleIndex = int(len(result) / 2)
del result[middleIndex]

return result

print(getSuperPermutation(5))

```

Комментарий от : @julienbongars4287


@carlitopuente6489
Couldn't this be used in genealogy, so it can't be too not useful.
Комментарий от : @carlitopuente6489


@Meatwad.Baggins
The Comments
90% anime
5% 4chan
4% poo poo pee pee
1% superpermutations

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@timothymclean
Why are they called superpermutations and not just supermutations?
Комментарий от : @timothymclean


@dude157
4chan4cha4ncha4cnha4chna4ch4anch4acnh4achn4ach4nach4canh4cahn4cah4ncah4cnah4c4hanc4hacn4hac4nhac4hnac4hcan4hca4nhca4hnca4hcna4hc4anhc4ahnc4ahcn4ahc4nahc4
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@DFsdf3443d
9:30 what determined the weights?
Комментарий от : @DFsdf3443d


@aarcxnum
Whoever chose that markerboard deserves to be fired lol. That squeal hurts my soul
Комментарий от : @aarcxnum


@ranchdressing9308
Supermutation ahaha
(There are bugs living inside your skin)

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@krumplethemal8831
is there anything 4chan cant do given the right motivation? They found Shai LaBeouf's flag, solved a few cold cases, and now superpermutations.. I bet 4chan could find a cure for all cancers, but it might require anime in some way..
Комментарий от : @krumplethemal8831


@ommadawnDK
I think the footage filmed with the left camera (showing your back) has offset audio?
Комментарий от : @ommadawnDK


@MafiaCow01
Never forget what prompted all this to begin with. Praise to our god, Haruhi Suzumiya.
Комментарий от : @MafiaCow01


@asymptotex8662
I am SO GLAD you included that short correction at 12:15 it was driving me mad, and I know you only included it because you knew SOMEONE would be mad if you didn't.
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@jay-tbl
Fascinating! 4chan does math that isn't related to the number 13%!
Комментарий от : @jay-tbl


@namesurname8474
Least intelligent Haruhi fans
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@slavicprogrammer6100
Ah yes, the first achievments of the quasihivemind known as internet!
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@aksachannel287
4 just do a complited math just to watch an anime
Комментарий от : @aksachannel287


@ThankYouESM
I want to see how in Python to call by nth/demand each Flat Permutation --
def flat_permu(nth, baselength=4, base=3)
flat_permu(10, 9, 5) equals [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1]
flat_permu(nth, 3, 3)...
000 001 010 100 002 011 020 101 110 200 003 012 021 030 102 111 120 201 210 300 013 022 031 103 112 121 130 202 211 220 301 310 023 032 113 122 131 203 212 221 230 302 311 320 033 123 132 213 222 231 303 312 321 330 133 223 232 313 322 331 233 323 332 333
flat_permu(30, 3, 3) equals [1,3,0]

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@Trizzer89
Why not just use the Simplex method?
Комментарий от : @Trizzer89


@kireitonsi
Add "Anon on a math paper" to the list of analogies in "That Funny Feeling"
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@jan_kulawa
"Can't we do the n = 4 case?"
"Yes, uhm, I think we can."
"Good, because I brought with me some D's"

Classy, Matt...

Комментарий от : @jan_kulawa


@Taporeee
Good Weebu Hunting
Комментарий от : @Taporeee


@kentslocum
This is fascinating stuff! The way that these people find new ways to think about old problems blows my mind.
Комментарий от : @kentslocum


@ObsessiveClarity
I had no idea Seth Rogan is British
Комментарий от : @ObsessiveClarity


@SaltpeterTaffy
"I brought some Es"

That must've made it a lot easier.

Комментарий от : @SaltpeterTaffy


@corous7880
If we gave 4chan the control of all the world's problems, within a decade we would either have Faster than light travel or a nuclear apocalypse.
Комментарий от : @corous7880


@seppforcher4714
12:15 thank you
Комментарий от : @seppforcher4714


@MentalCycle
Hey, Math! You've promised us new breakthroughs in upcoming years. 2 years have already passed, where are new videos?! %)
Комментарий от : @MentalCycle


@Articulo-Mortis
Thank you for fixing it at @12:15 it was driving me nuts.
Комментарий от : @Articulo-Mortis


@derederekat9051
mathematician Forchelein? wasn't he an intelligence agent striking ISIS training camps?
Комментарий от : @derederekat9051


@mrnitro30103
that squeaky board is just waiting to be smashed to smithereens...
Комментарий от : @mrnitro30103


@josueramirez7247
I feel like I don’t understand the reasoning behind how the minimal superpermutation for n = 3 is constructed. It seems like a pattern is that you typically start with ABC…n, then write ABC…(n-1) where n is the nth symbol and so on. But then from there I’m not sure how you keep going or how to apply it to n = 4 case.
Комментарий от : @josueramirez7247


@wombatpandaa9774
If you're here for the 4chan bit, it's 12:14. Thank me later
Комментарий от : @wombatpandaa9774


@kosgoth
I feel like these would be better visualised in dimensions. when looking at the original expansion ab you mirror it, to get the alternate, -1. the original character you are ignoring. when adding the third character if you could add it in another dimension how would that look.
rather than ABC
C
AB and count the permutations as dimensional mirrors this makes sense then of the n-1 format for presenting the data. Basically you'd be looking at something similar to the holographic principle where 3d data can be represented on a 2d sheet and I would expect it continues.
I'm probably drawing connections that don't actually work for someone who knows the topic better.

Комментарий от : @kosgoth


@sulkoma
4ch time and time again proves themselves to be superior to all others, especially reddit the hive mind censored left wing loophole
Комментарий от : @sulkoma


@thelazy0ne
Squeaky board! C'mon man! This is 21st century! We can do better than that!
Комментарий от : @thelazy0ne


@denelson83
3Blue1Brown supports you? Whoa!
Комментарий от : @denelson83


@aerosma5021
Interesting
Комментарий от : @aerosma5021


@blueconcretezebra
4chan, a wretched hive of scum and villainy, but a place you can sometimes find something you can't find anywhere else.
Комментарий от : @blueconcretezebra


@robertb6889
Ironically I’ve thought about this or something related at work as part of optimizing a tedious task of setting up all the possible permutations one by one
Комментарий от : @robertb6889


@alextheumbreon1363
I was told that factorials were the fastest growing number sequence. I think I found a new favourite number sequence.
Комментарий от : @alextheumbreon1363


@mig-29
Proof that 4chan isnt made of only retards.
Комментарий от : @mig-29


@heheh8877
a 4chan user just want to watch a 14 episode of anime in best way possible
Комментарий от : @heheh8877


@shin1300
4chan has the best degenerates or the best thinking mind no in between.
Комментарий от : @shin1300


@austingarcia6060
This feels like... the traveling tradesman problem.
Комментарий от : @austingarcia6060


@cocktail7342
Who is this 4chan?
Комментарий от : @cocktail7342


@uberfeel
4chan: smart people acting like they are idiots.
Twitter: idiots acting like they are smart people.

Комментарий от : @uberfeel


@HtPu-mh1hs
Proofs only allowed if time in that proof does'nt have all the same :54 seconds
Комментарий от : @HtPu-mh1hs


@JerryFlowersIII
How oddly appropriate is it that this proof was formed out of Haruhi discussions.
Комментарий от : @JerryFlowersIII


@shanybiran468
12:27 "...Which is why I got in touch and said, Robin we have to do that video about super perms..."

12:28 (Oh god look at there permy hair... A perm pun is just staring me in the face.. Super perms with the Super perm! no... He knows a thing or two about 'super PERMS' no... Ugh I should have thought of this before. Maybe I can add it to the intro, or in the title? But I don't know Robin well enough to make hair jokes, and who am I to make hair jokes anyway? And what if Simon Pampena gets offended because he thinks he's 'The Super Perm' of maths?? And then neither of them ever guest appear again??... ugh, but it would have been so good. Oh well...)

12:29 "now!" (looks down. 'Darn it.')

Комментарий от : @shanybiran468


@1.4142
We need to up our game in the yt comment section.
Комментарий от : @1.4142


@andreizonga4611
I think I found a formula that will be relatively close to the answer:the superpermutation for n will have ~n+n!+(n-1)!-2
Комментарий от : @andreizonga4611


@ookjannesplanting1296
Not sure why I'm watching two grown men play alphabet Uno in the middle of the night, but I like it
Комментарий от : @ookjannesplanting1296


@jlondon1441
Where is Pi in all this? Seems circular math with no pattern.. sounds like Pi.
Комментарий от : @jlondon1441


@marcuswillbrandt5901
Really waited for Matt to bring out some Fs.....just for the reaction "Go F yourself "
Комментарий от : @marcuswillbrandt5901


@LW-zb8bf
12:10 thank you for showing me the fix. It so annoying to look at.
Комментарий от : @LW-zb8bf


@gullier1
the squeaking marker makes my soul itch. I'm a secondary teacher; BRING BACK CHALK!!
Комментарий от : @gullier1


@ianbryant
We'd get more proofs like this if the math world didn't pride itself on being intellectually impenetrable and using a million useless symbols for everything.
Комментарий от : @ianbryant


@manoelguidialvares6903
He sounds like an engineer:
"How did you solve this optimization?"
"Well alot of ppl did some solvers for this type of problem, so I downloaded one of them and used it"

LITERALLY me

Комментарий от : @manoelguidialvares6903


@mrosskne
lol @ the ghostposting on that thread
Комментарий от : @mrosskne


@Kannot2023
Anime fans are young and this helps with maths
Комментарий от : @Kannot2023


@cd-zw2tt
damn lil dicky is rlly branching out
Комментарий от : @cd-zw2tt


@merrick1384
its literally goodwill hunting
Комментарий от : @merrick1384


@whiteshadow8520
So 6! Is 720 so you need minimum 725 cards for 6
Комментарий от : @whiteshadow8520


@flyingface
ew, 4chan
Комментарий от : @flyingface


@dpollitz
12:10 : Most satisfying moment in the video.
Комментарий от : @dpollitz


@WaruWicku
> Electronic music starts

> "I've brought some Es !"

I like where this is going

Комментарий от : @WaruWicku


@WaruWicku
I cannot begin to describe how disappointed i was that the ABC superpermutation didn't contain ACAB :'(
Комментарий от : @WaruWicku


@MariaHernandez-ps6rx
>be me
>solve a complicated maths problem

Комментарий от : @MariaHernandez-ps6rx


@firstnamelastname-zo5gd
ACAB lol
Комментарий от : @firstnamelastname-zo5gd


@bambapabbi
Does he look like seth rogen?
Комментарий от : @bambapabbi


@acookie7548
the program (?) robin downloaded is a heuristic program, heuristic meaning something like not the best method but good enough for the intended purpose. the program is a souped up guess and check
Комментарий от : @acookie7548


@rajivnarayan5214
What an ingenious way to solve that problem!
Комментарий от : @rajivnarayan5214


@feroz0307
Looks like palindromes to me. Maybe all Superpermutations are palindromes? 0:36, 1:47, 3:06, 3:58
Комментарий от : @feroz0307


@0Luna_
Take advantage of a self learning ai
Комментарий от : @0Luna_


@o76923
When I saw that this was about Haruhi, I assumed someone was trying to create a super permutation of the Endless Eight.

I'm glad to say that no one was that cruel.

Комментарий от : @o76923


@dannychung2629
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@Heroesflorian
12:12 - thx!!
Комментарий от : @Heroesflorian


@alonsobruni8131
You should call these supermutations
Комментарий от : @alonsobruni8131


@MG30001
The problem is ACAB
Комментарий от : @MG30001


@q.m9094
Anon et al.
Комментарий от : @q.m9094


@52flyingbicycles
They say people do their best math in their early to mid 20s. That IS the main user base of 4chan
Комментарий от : @52flyingbicycles


@tcanch
At 9:04 the length 2 edge should be flipped from BCA -> CAB to CAB -> BCA
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