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All he had to say is that these are things he dislikes about the site, regardless if it also happens somewhere else. He could of easily dismissed the what-aboutism by just saying that. Комментарий от : @OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOq |
13:07 Комментарий от : @cevesik9208 |
Liked solely for the animations at the end. Комментарий от : @STOVL93 |
30:20 “Thats a strawman version of Reddit where people get banned for having a different opinion and that’s not the truth.” That is objectively wrong, most subreddits that are supposedly non-political have become woke circlejerking. Take r/magicthegathering for example. Anyone on the subreddit (for a fantasy roleplaying card game, mind you) who even slightly disagrees with Karl Marx gets the ban hammer. Even if you’re super polite and respectful, they’ll ban you and claim it’s for harassment. If you need tangible evidence of this, watch The Quartering’s video on it. This isn’t some controversial opinion either; I have personally been banned for merely expressing benevolent opinions in a polite and respectful manner. For example, on a detective subreddit a couple years back, I did a bunch of research on the Elisa Lam case (elevator girl, it was a big thing in 2013) and found damning evidence that the court ruling of her death being suicide was wrong, and that she was very likely murdered. The most obvious evidence was that her belongings were found trashed in a dumpster down the street, and the court had changed her death from “suicide” to “murder” once they found that out, then back to “suicide” when they couldn’t figure out who did it. When I made a post suggesting that her death was likely murder, and presented evidence for my argument, like 50 morons in the comment section went, “It wasn’t murder, the court ruled it was suicide.” Then I got BANNED and the reason listed was “Your post violates our rules and community guidelines on harassment.” Wtf is that?? He’s not exaggerating, people literally get banned just for having a dissenting opinion, even on non-political subreddits. Комментарий от : @tidyheidi9143 |
To be fair I became a r/Calisthenic mod for being involved in the sub Комментарий от : @bigpopparasta8133 |
Half of Emp’s grievances are the exact same thing Комментарий от : @RoanRants |
It's okay Emp, the entire Smash community has that attitude Комментарий от : @elliott1781 |
The fact that he's so bad at articulating his points yet still makes more sense and is more convincing than his opponents just goes to show how right he is about reddit. Комментарий от : @dreamsprayanimation |
While Emp got destroyed and yes, I agree with him. I think it's more so that Mumkey and Rusty are actually quality cr1tical thinkers But by and large his argument on moderators could be due to Reddit's size, there are more subreddits and in turn more moderators than any other site. Maybe admins should keep a better eye on moderator activity? This would go double for any large subreddit Комментарий от : @chukadoo1871 |
Reddit has a built-in thought police engine that fuels individual sub reddits ... it serves itself rather well. If you don't happen to fuel it because you aren't parroting the sentiments of a particular sub, you probably won't like the experience. All media has become an echo chamber. YouTube recommends things related to what you already like and engage. Mainstream news is now just a biased echo chamber and the various channels don't even pretend to be objective. It has all moved this way because it comforts people. It works. It builds an audience. That's where we are as a culture. Not discussion, just dopamine hits that confirm what we already feel and/or believe. Комментарий от : @Rot10Glory |
Don’t worry emp, I understand your points and I know what you mean. In terms of argument style, we are extremely similar, so how you’re being argued against is EXTREMELY FAMILIAR to me. There are concrete examples of culture though, you should find key characteristics of these things and find proof so people can’t use that stuff against you. Good job though, I completely understand what you mean Комментарий от : @ascraeusorange9157 |
he's missing the point of reddit in my opinion. reddit just doesn't reward individuals that much; if your profile has good karma, you don't get promoted by any algorithms or anything. there isn't even a significant subscribe feature. the point of reddit is just to have people submit stuff, be it on creative subreddits, where you submit your own work, or content aggregate subreddits, where you repost things. Комментарий от : @eve4246 |
my question is what redditor hurt emp Комментарий от : @kkatelynmason |
5:28 is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Комментарий от : @SicklyWindows |
the lemon is right but is bad at arguing Комментарий от : @dontsubscribetome3262 |
Point 1 redditors have egos Point 3 redditors have egos Point 7 redditors have egos Mumkey: any proof? Lemon: do I need that? Mumkey: yes Lemon: whatever Комментарий от : @glowbies9416 |
Emp was 100% right whether he articulated his points well or not, Mumkey argued like an idiot redditor. Reddit's majority consists of a hivemind that pushes their own user base to subscribe to one idea or way of thinking over another for no greater fact than that it's what everyone else thinks, and you don't want to go against the grain. If you do, you get banned by power tripping admins. If you disagree with the majority opinion, you get dragged off. Комментарий от : @redsmash870 |
Lets be real for a moment: The worst thing about reddit is that is not 4chan Комментарий от : @josegonzalez-ii3vt |
micro rosen Комментарий от : @frogginet5353 |
Reddit really sucks. EmpLemon is right. Edit: Thanks for the gold! Комментарий от : @ealvstad |
Reddit gay but emp the big gay in this debate Комментарий от : @deadsetcactus4735 |
Entire Video EMP: says something that is subjective or relies on a bunch of anecdotal evidence. Rusty & Mumkey: tell him that his argument is redundant. EMP: "Okay, whatever." Комментарий от : @taktikal26 |
r/wooosh Комментарий от : @calvinpafford |
Emp needs to be less repetitive, this could be a 3 point list. Комментарий от : @calvinpafford |
Don't worry Emp. I agree with you and understand what you're trying to say. Комментарий от : @reedime5396 |
I went pee pee in Rusty’s wee wee Комментарий от : @NathanCudgel |
Emp is just going in circles and adding a part on every time. He gets proven wrong and he goes silent, thinks of something. Stops thinks of more. And fucks himself ovet Комментарий от : @callumgilroy1655 |
Emp is Reddit Комментарий от : @beeooowexists5374 |
My internet froze for a second and I just heard Rusty say "I was on reddit an I saw a picture of a moose" at 16:14 with no further explanation. Комментарий от : @hunted4blood |
Fam Emps claim about the mods makes complete sense people can be much easier moved by karma to become moderators while other forums don't have that kind of system of a dick measuring contest for how much karma you have. Комментарий от : @leftsock2086 |
Rumkey and Musty need to go to r/politics Комментарий от : @capnstems5026 |
Hey SOTY, have you ever noticed some of the striking similarities between the state of YouTube and the state of Roblox? Комментарий от : @Jayanky |
Anyone making bets on whether Emplemon gets kicked out the podcast Комментарий от : @1ittlegs |
Why would people create content on Reddit? Youtube is like the only big social media where people normally create content rather than talk about things or talk about themselves. Комментарий от : @sightseeing7993 |
Lemon is 100% correct. The karma system is the worst system I think I've ever seen on any social media platform. Agree with the hive mind or get buried with le ebin downvotes, brother. Комментарий от : @frankfrank4859 |
I get what Emp means. Ive been in a months long discusion full of downvotes on the soulcalibur reddit. I dont like how the next 2 DLC characters are basicly clones of existing characters. But apearently since they ware in earlyer games the fanboys love it. I should have never bought that season pass. Still like reddit when it comes to memes and tech support. But yes not a place for discussion. Комментарий от : @feew9246 |
If something is a problem on reddit but can also be found on other social media sites, it's still a problem with reddit. It's like saying Zimbabwe is bad because it has a lot of theft, then saying, "it's not, lots of places have theft. That's an earth thing." Комментарий от : @massbaster7726 |
Mumkey: Points out Emp's hypocrisy Emp: "Yeah, whatever..." Комментарий от : @shady9010 |
This encouraged me to use reddit Комментарий от : @maunderingofacabal |
Grievances= Theses Martin Luther wrote 95 Theses Catholic Church in medieval times was just as powerful as Reddit today. Therefore, EmpLemon = Martin Luther Martin Luther wrote "On the Jews and Their Lies" EmpLemon anti-semite confirmed Reddit: ARGUEMENT INVALID Комментарий от : @farmer1293 |
reddit is a gay website Комментарий от : @devind7562 |
He failed to mention some of the most important issues of reddit. That being the authoritarian nature of the site itself. Like trending topics disappearing and shit. Комментарий от : @xoidbergskywalker9139 |
EmpLemon is so right with his complains, but the crew sounds like they prepared to counter everything. Комментарий от : @mennymoto |
Isn't it funny how Emp has this ideology where he thinks all redditors are _____ because of personal anecdotes in this debate? It's very similar to a certain supreme gentleman who believed all men are savage jerks who abuse their girlfriends because of similar reasons. No wonder Mumkey disagreed with almost everything he said. Комментарий от : @Lumgus |
EMP, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS POINT AT U/GALLOWBOOB AND YOU WILL HAVE WON HOW... JUST DO IT Комментарий от : @donet0death240 |
Emp reminds me of Maddox Комментарий от : @Thekid529 |
They never read the mod’s comment D: Комментарий от : @jaybe270 |
Here is a perfect example. www.reddit.com/r/GunsAreCool/new/ The requirements to comment are so insane you can't actually post anything without it being deleted. Комментарий от : @Tyler_Lalonde- |
45:45 Welcome to state of the youtube podcast! I'm your host Mumkey Clay, with my two best friends. Rusty Simpson & Emperor Zoidberg! Комментарий от : @Pioxys |
Mumkey didn't read the message mentioned in part 1. Комментарий от : @SeagullAustralis |
45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic 45:45 epic Комментарий от : @jhonviel7381 |
Emp has the right ideas just isn't referencing the right types of sub reddits. Some great examples would be r/dankmemes and especially r/gaming. Both of those have extreme circle jerk mob mentality hatred of things and you will get downvoted to hell if you disagree with them. r/dankmemes also has entitlement when it comes to memes and r/dankmemes thinks they are significantly better than other meme platforms because they use reddit. The problem with emps' thing is just that he wasn't able to flesh out and explain his ideas properly with evidence. However, all of his grievances in this video were 100% accurate. Комментарий от : @edge-ho1ki |
Going with Lemon Комментарий от : @TheInternationalHistorian |
"Whatever." C'mon, emp. At least try a little bit. Комментарий от : @BigR.O.B. |
I disagree with EmpLemon on this one, and ESPECIALLY the way he argues. Комментарий от : @person_people8134 |
Who would win? One vegan Chad who wasn't successful on Reddit or 2 virgin boi who who got very successful careers from Reddit? Комментарий от : @MrMonkey7000 |
Discourse isn't valuable if it's only a screaming match. Комментарий от : @WingedBagels |
Emp's Atonement arc is an unexpected but welcome follow-up to the Vegan Betrayal arc. Комментарий от : @Coruptin |
O K A Y Комментарий от : @PS-cf9lc |
Gru Комментарий от : @gravemankotg |
Being correct isn't enough in a debate pt.2 Комментарий от : @gameplay5469 |
26:50 hold on Emp, aren’t you going against your argument of popularity of opinion being the legitimacy of said opinion? Комментарий от : @Emery6393 |
Mumkey and Rusty are either being purposefully obtuse, or they have had blessed experiences in dealing with Reddit. Emp's delivery certainly didn't help in either case. Комментарий от : @Fargoth_Ur |
as usual emp is like 95% correct on everything but can't argue for shit. Комментарий от : @swagmoneymafia |
I got an add for windsor salt and watched it to completion lol Комментарий от : @bradleykmdean |
Both reddit and twitch are intertwined in their elitism and narcissism Комментарий от : @enrique1422 |
EmpLemon is correct but it's pointless to convince the other two guys because they haven't spent that time on Reddit, nor should they. Redditors are smug as shit. Комментарий от : @reedime5396 |
Arguments so bad, I started using reddit Комментарий от : @taco2558 |
What Emp meant to say was; The nature of Reddits design itself encourages people who use it to be very self-absorbed, with post-history, karma, upvotes, and usernames. Of course it's going to encourage groupthink and mental sheep-herding. People are always fishing for their internet brownie points. And what would be the best way to get those juicy upboats^^ other than just going along with the conversation and soaking up some of that vaunted internet glory? Reddit is a shithole because everyone is constantly waving their metaphorical e-penis around at all times. Emp was definitely right about one thing, a forum dedicated to a topic of interest would be better than it's equivalent Subreddit any day of the week. Fuck Reddit. Комментарий от : @panah8394 |
We never got to hear what the moderator had to say. Комментарий от : @sonicfan73887 |
I must honestly say that while Emp is definitely onto something here - specifically with the echochambers argument where you essentially stay in your own small bubble of confirmation bias the entire time - he's wrong or misphrasing shit on just about every other point. He intentionally framed "redditor" so that it would only apply to the smug assholes - which are an incredibly minority; most people are just your average Joe Smoe sitting around having 5 minutes of fun - and then went on to call them out for being smug. By his arguing line, I would be able to call only "pranksters" youtubers and then call out youtubers for making shitty pranks only. It's gatekeeping at its finest and doesn't really help with his arguments - as Mumkey and Rusty proved, as soon as the argument came to such a point they throw in a healthy dose of "how do you know this" and his true scotsman goes home drunk. Also the point of people caring about karma so much that they get indoctrinated into samethink: From using both somewhat politicized subreddits and just normal "meme" subreddits (which Reddit is best used for) I can tell you that a majority of downvote collectors are actually people who post incredibly thoughtless stuff, assholes or people who don't understand how to argue. Granted, there are subreddits where simply disagreeing with people will lead to downvotes by the thousands - specifically saying e.g. "pewdiepie isn't a racist, just an idiot" anywhere outside of pewdiepie related subreddits or r/youtube or something - but those are the minority and usually that only happens in really heated and opinionated discussions. Primarily stuff that falls under the broad category of "politics". So essentially as long as you're not an asshole about it, you can post about anything on Reddit and will be able to have a somewhat reasonable discussion - except of course the stuff where people put their values, which understandably gets heated af. So no, you don't actually get indoctrinated into hivemind thinking beyond what standard echochambers - irl and on twitter, facebook and co - will do to a person anyways. Birds of a feather flock together. Essentially what Mumkey and Rusty got right here is that almost all of Emps grievances with Reddit are things that apply to every other social media website. While that doesn't mean that it's not a valid criticism of Reddit, it's not a Reddit specific criticism so definitely framed incorrectly here - those criticisms should be grouped seperately in a category "what I don't like about websites and the internet". On that note, mods are gay and suck big pp. Peace and out. Комментарий от : @doomdoot6731 |
The problem with Emp's points is that most of them aren't exclusive to Reddit. Комментарий от : @begottenbaker |
Oh...it IS all a big joke... Комментарий от : @MilesQuickster |
32:44 I think what Emp meant was "uploading content invoking risks doesn't exist on Reddit, particularly when uploading it yourself and not having a random user repost it". Комментарий от : @MilesQuickster |
Getting banned from YouTube coz of culture is a risk worth taking. You actually learn something new: about the values of people in many backgrounds and staff of power; and about new problems that reside in the life or platform you're taking risks in. Aka, a greater step to communal, aggregate, societal progress. Комментарий от : @MilesQuickster |
Emp made a lot of good points but he didn’t really explain them very well and he kept rushing forward with the whole “whatever” thing Комментарий от : @frostfrog6393 |
This really shouldn't be an egotistical "yes, I win" argument. You'll become Redditors otherwise Комментарий от : @MilesQuickster |
... You go to Reddit...to view the opinions of the average Marvel fan on the new trailer... You know, instead of where it has been uploaded. Wow Mumkey🤦🏾 Комментарий от : @MilesQuickster |
Mumkey and Rusty are misconstruing the glass ceiling narrative. See if /r videos tends to benefit at the moment let's say gaming channels and cooking channels. If I want to post a video on a nascar racer saying they'll never be another nascar racer like such and such. That's not going to get upvotes because /r videos doesn't upvote nascar related videos regardless if it's a good video. That's just not in style. That's not the trend. So it encourages me to post a gaming video or a cooking video because that's what's hot right now on that subreddit. If edgy shit is being thrown around on /r videos at that moment in time and getting tons of upvotes posting a Mumkey Jones or Rusty Cage video would benefit me. When really the community should be encouraged on /r videos to just upvote good content. The upvote system can make quality posts like that get ignored. Does that make sense? Комментарий от : @JetWindTV |
When u post a meme on 4chan and after 2 days u found it on reddit Комментарий от : @bodabegufgasd6456 |
im starting to get some strong Maddox vibes from Emp Комментарий от : @saragos1216 |
Mumkey never got to read the mod letter Комментарий от : @ljmaurer6208 |
emp: yewchube Комментарий от : @lesbiansforcannibalism |
Most of his points are just complaining about life, but only looking at it through reddit Комментарий от : @Darkspire94 |
Emp could not be worse at debating if he tried Комментарий от : @GooberGoblin |
Please not a part 3 EMP Комментарий от : @MrBear-kc5ed |
I'm with Emp here pre-3g internet forums were by no means great places to have discussion about specialized subjects and the mod teams may have been their own special flavour of asshole depending on what forum you dwell upon but they were much more capable of producing productive conversation than the new social media is, where the conversation is driven by upboats and the mods are outright corrupted reddit took the internet forum of old and homogenized it, gentrified it like a hipster to a rundown part of town with low rent and ended up turning it into another platform entirely that the older forum dwellers are not comfortable or even particularly welcome on it's a pity Emp can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag because he's right, as usual Комментарий от : @inflateable7387 |
Okay, well, fuck you, I disagree. Комментарий от : @TeamAngryFaic |
emp: "Here is a wild assertion about how terrible my very specific definition of Redditor is" Mumkey: "If you don't use reddit, how do you know that? Do you have any evidence?" emp: "shut up, I just do, believe me." Комментарий от : @mistriousfrog |
Did Mumkey ever even read the moderator email he got? Комментарий от : @thetraplord1564 |
Does EMP hear himself speak? Комментарий от : @cosmo2420 |
Eh. I don't fully agree that independent forums are better or worse than Reddit when it comes to moderation. I've seen it bad in both areas. It's not a Reddit or indy forum problem, it's that moderators are human, and most humans are crap. But yeah, indy forums are better? Like, c'mon - ResetEra, NeoGaf, Blizzard and Steam are all pretty notorious for how people will get banned for even the mildest criticism of certain topics, and sometimes ban people for things they do off site. This stuff is just as bad as Reddit if not moreso. Комментарий от : @WraxTV |
I made Mumkey a mod on Emp's subreddit lol Комментарий от : @MrBump2 |
Wait were the fuck was the reddit mods message to the podcast? DAMMIT MUMKEY! Комментарий от : @UncleBaconMan |
The ERADICATION of all REDDITORS must be our number ONE priority Комментарий от : @samj.s3132 |
I like Emp’s content, but holy fuck does he suck at live debates. Комментарий от : @xJoJoYox |
no they fucking dont emp xD people complain about reddit 24/7 Комментарий от : @RagDollRat |
r/politics is raw dog aids echo chamber with bot posts. not even joking go to r/politics and look at the post history of the top posts, their acounts that only post news articles and nothing else Комментарий от : @RagDollRat |
this was a little painful to listen to. Комментарий от : @xbeavers7555 |
Emp sounds like the most rectal fingering redditer Ive ever laid my ears upon Комментарий от : @BowfortheMad |